When an atheist is brutally honest

Anarchy!

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I listened to a podcast on Reasonable Faith in which Kevin and W.L. Craig discuss this atheist’s blasting of fellow atheists’ inconsistencies on ethical assertions. (This comment, which originated here, is also discussed rationally here.)

 

 

[Edit: for those who don’t have time or won’t bother to follow the background links above, here is an excerpt from Laddymac that gives the gist of what he’s talking about.]

My only directive is to obey my genes. Eat, sleep, reproduce, die. That is our bible.
We deride the Theists for having created myths and holy books. We imagine ourselves superior. But we too imagine there are reasons to obey laws, be polite, protect the weak etc. Rubbish. We are nurturing a new religion, one where we imagine that such conventions have any basis in reality. Have they allowed life to exist? Absolutely. But who cares? Outside of my greedy little gene’s need to reproduce, there is nothing in my world that stops me from killing you and reproducing with your wife. Only the fear that I might be incarcerated and thus be deprived of the opportunity to do the same with the next guy’s wife stops me…So be nice if you want. Be involved, have polite conversations, be a model citizen. Just be aware that while technically an Atheist, you are an inferior one. You’re just a little bit less evolved, that’s all. When you are ready to join me, let me know, I’ll be reproducing with your wife.

If I was sitting in a discussion or debating this guy, I would be tempted (not sure if it’s wise or foolish) to play devil’s advocate and tell him what I would need to do if I adopted his ontological framework (and therefore, his ethical one too.)

 

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Divine Command Theorists are not just moral sheep

I like this guy’s point on the atheist’s charge that divine command theory believers are childish in their morality. Though I don’t subscribe to it myself, per se, it has more going for it.

“What should I do about claiming X on my taxes?”
“Well, what did God say to do?”
“I don’t know, but he said not to lie.”
“There ya go.”
“Can you be more specific?”

Maybe if it were merely that simple, it would be a little childish. I think the atheist that holds this view is probably motivated by a fear of the injustice and tyranny that is justified in the name of a religion, and I empathize with that.

But it isn’t that simple. There are lots of tiers to moral inquiries based on theological traditions. Which text is trustworthy? How is it interpreted correctly? Are we applying it right? What about lack of specificity?

I don’t see it being a whole lot different than basing morality in an interpreted document like The Constitution. Just gives it different objective grounding. The existence of that grounding is another matter.

Those Who Flee: North Korean Refugees

Those Who Flee: North Korean Refugees.

Just came across this and am posting to remind myself that I have an obligation to be happy and push myself to succeed, because there are people that need help all the time.